tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post9174387263470397472..comments2024-03-23T09:27:34.737+02:00Comments on Traditionalists: CounterPunch attacks MaryamiyyaMark Sedgwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-90469050687444943392018-09-25T21:10:42.230+02:002018-09-25T21:10:42.230+02:00Someone recently left a new comment on this discus...Someone recently left a new comment on this discussion, but it has been so long since the last comment that I am closing this discussion. Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-50031667602619499902017-11-07T23:50:44.839+02:002017-11-07T23:50:44.839+02:00This is hardly scandalous, given that, for example...This is hardly scandalous, given that, for example, Krishna, usually worshiped as the "Supreme Avatar" of Vishnu (in Hinduism), thereby placing him above figures like Jesus, the Buddha, Muhammad, and so on, did all sorts of weird things throughout his life.<br /><br />Krishna stole, Krishna committed adultery, he lied, cheated, manipulated, and so on and so forth. In fact, Jainas assign Krishna to Hell for having orchestrated a massive war that ultimately lead to the death of everyone involved. He basically wiped out the entire world population. So how can this figure, advocating war, violence, deception, and adultery, be the Supreme Deity?<br /><br />Or what about Trungpa, whose writings if read, are no doubt genius. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Trungpa was enlightened, his behavior is whatever, but the efficacy of his training is obvious.<br /><br />I wasn't aware of any of this Schuon stuff until recently, but the point is that messengers of God have always acted "strangely," i.e. they have been "strangers." This is in the Qur'an:<br /><br />Similarly, there came not to those before them any messenger except that they said, "A magician or a madman."<br /><br />Jesus called his mother: "woman" and he disturbed the public peace. He ranted at a tree and associated only with the shittiest people in society. U.G. Krishnamurti was a homeless loser with a failed marriage. Jed McKenna has no people skills. The list goes on.<br /><br />Anyways, let's not forget this verse:<br /><br />Ye shall know them by their fruits.<br /><br />I haven't heard of this Schuon-Maryamiyya issue until recently. But either way, the only way I know of Schuon is via the content of his writing, and via the application of my Intellect (ʿaql) to his own writings, I can confirm pretty much everything he says. Which ultimately means that this scandal doesn't matter, since Schuon was pretty much right about everything. Please read his actual works, i.e. the "fruit."bboy Yenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15414967840321139946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-13923589100063567372016-12-13T10:11:32.503+02:002016-12-13T10:11:32.503+02:00I would like to stress that "no more comments...I would like to stress that "no more comments" means that there will be no more comments.Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-1255751768647535112016-11-30T18:57:59.688+02:002016-11-30T18:57:59.688+02:00And God knows best!
I hereby declare this discuss...And God knows best!<br /><br />I hereby declare this discussion closed. No more comments will be published.Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-17737840517536861082016-11-30T18:43:36.765+02:002016-11-30T18:43:36.765+02:00My apologies for the additional post. I would like...My apologies for the additional post. I would like to clarify one point for your readers who follow some interpretation of Islamic law. The charge of adultery or fornication requires four witnesses, but assault--including sexual assault--does not. Thus, minors who are not in a position to give consent have been assaulted and not simply fornicated with. I believe it is important for our communities and institutions to stop protecting predators. Zacharyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202851431408683292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-79146538130500555282016-11-30T16:05:35.009+02:002016-11-30T16:05:35.009+02:00Rubbishes in print the religion of the Prophet?!? ...Rubbishes in print the religion of the Prophet?!? Frithjof Schuon is the Prophet?!? And the Maryamiyyah is the Prophet's religion?!? Thank you very much for this frank, candid and unequivocal statement of kufr on your part. I will be sure to convey the message along, especially to authorities back in Iran who need to be on their guard against the activities of this NeoCon connected organization as much as they are already rightfully vigilant against the activities of the Baha'is.N. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-90903027956244660722016-11-28T20:03:51.847+02:002016-11-28T20:03:51.847+02:00Schuon, by his own admission, was not an ordinary ...Schuon, by his own admission, was not an ordinary man. Neither, apparently, did his tariqa end up being ordinary, whether in its Bloomingtonian or other manifestations. I thankfully have, since the time of your last post, Zachary, established contact with a source who spent many years on the Bloomington scene who described a certain faction within it as a cult but who nevertheless came away from it all (after the death of Schuon) with the impression that the man's state of being was basically consonant with his message. This person criticized certain aspects of the Bloomington community harshly while nevertheless affirming the benefit he derived from Schuon's spiritual instruction and the efficacy of the method in which he was trained (he has remained a member of the Maryamiyyah up to the present day). For a Maryami, this seems to be the wisest approach--not covering one's eyes and blocking one's ears, but rather remembering what is truly essential while always striving for objectivity and its expression in the form of both humility and charity. As for the enigma of Frithjof Schuon, one should remember that God is Infinite. One should strive not to be outwitted by the genius of Maya and thence duped into thinking terrible thoughts when one has not himself witnessed anything first-hand. Again remember the fact that even that (the direct witness of one person) would not be sufficient in the eyes of the Shariah to convict someone of fornication, which, as was already pointed out, must be considered a transgression less severe than that of sexually abusing children.<br /><br />Lastly, I wanted to make a few miscellaneous points / ask a few final questions. First is the question of how Schuon got his knowledge and wrote inspired texts. Again it is much too simplistic (not to mention almost certainly false) to see him as a fraud. It is not enough merely to reject and vilify Schuon; one must have a theory of the "Schuonian phenomenon" that takes into account all available data. Although I am not currently able to offer my own perspective at length in this regard, I would at least like to quote the following words of Schuon himself: "The spirit ... always displays a tendency to breach its formal limitations, thereby putting itself in apparent contradiction with them." Such "apparent contradiction" is naturally of a variable severity, so to speak, depending upon the immediate "cosmic context," and in the case of a figure like Schuon, one should, as I have already pointed out, not be too surprised if the veil gets sewn back up with a certain spite on the part of Iron Age phenomenality (which again--in case one should raise the following objection--does not change anything about the status of an evil taken by itself). In the theater of creation, there is always overflow and bite-back, revelation and concealment. Think of the Muslims following the death of the Prophet--the world always tries to save face by rushing back in with might and main. Thirdly, as a final note, I was surprised by your claim, Zachary, that someone (whether this be Mr. Azal or anybody else) who rubbishes, in print, the religion of the Prophet, is an informed and courageous writer. Astaghfirullah. Informed about what? Even if Schuon were guilty of everything he has ever been accused of, one still has to establish this guilt through the proper channels, and even if that had been done, Schuon is no longer alive, so the idea of preemptively protecting others from harm no longer applies, and one gets caught up in backbiting the deceased. "Do not abuse the dead, for they have reached what they put forward" (hadith). And of course there are the words of God Himself: "O you who believe! Shun much conjecture. Indeed, some conjecture is a sin" (Quran 49:12).<br /><br />And God knows best,<br /><br />Ambrose<br />Ambrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-43210537838265243682016-11-28T20:02:57.997+02:002016-11-28T20:02:57.997+02:00Furthermore, I would like to share this relevant p...Furthermore, I would like to share this relevant passage from Abdul Qadir Gilani's Futuh al-Ghayb:<br /><br />"God the Exalted will not be with you unless all your desires and your will are smashed. And when they are smashed and nothing is left in you and you are fit for nothing but Him, God will create you afresh and will give you a new will-power wherewith to will. And if in the newly-created will there is found again even the slightest tinge of yourself, God the Exalted will break this one also, so that you will always remain broken-hearted. In this way, He will go on creating new wills in you and on yourself being found in it, He will smash it every time, till at last the destiny reaches its end and the meeting (of the Lord) takes place. And this is the meaning of the Divine words: 'I am with those who are broken-hearted on My account.'"<br /><br />To relate this to our discussion, one can see how easy it would be to make an idol of a man like Schuon. There is truth to the cliche that one cannot have his cake and eat it too. God protects us when he smashes idols (whether its appearance or its reality, and whether it is inside of us or outside), and it is up to us to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Doing so is a subterfuge of the ego, which is always trying to escape the potentially (or ideally) humbling effect of broken-heartedness (this referring, in the context of our discussion, to any disillusion that one might experience, rightly or wrongly, with respect to Schuon and/or the Maryamiyyah). But regarding the latter, what matters most spiritually is the doctrine, the method, and the validity of the initiation. If these three things are there (and one of course must decide for oneself about whether they are or not), it seems that one should be very careful in tossing such gifts aside because one's shaykh, or his shaykh's shaykh in this case, was to all appearances not perfect. Guenon explains this very well in his Perspectives on Initation:<br /><br />"[I]t is easy to understand that the role of the individual who confers initiation on another is veritably one of 'transmitter' in the most exact sense of the word. Such a person does not act as an individual, but as the support of an influence not belonging to the individual order; he is only a link in the 'chain' of which the starting point lies outside and beyond humanity. This is why he acts not in his own name but in the name of the organization to which he is attached and from which he holds his powers; or, more exactly still, he acts in the name of the principle that the organization visibly represents. This also explains how the efficacy of the rite accomplished by an individual can be independent of the true merit of the individual as such, something that is equally true of religious rites" (p. 53).<br /><br />So a shaykh does not have to be a perfect saint. Initiatic functions do not rise and fall with the merit of those temporarily invested with or fulfilling them. And this is to say nothing of the fact that, with respect to Schuon, overflowing the boundaries of the Islamic form is one thing, and sexual misdeeds involving children are obviously another.<br />Ambrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-56462889061848957552016-11-28T20:01:11.266+02:002016-11-28T20:01:11.266+02:00Greetings all,
It indeed seems like this discussi...Greetings all,<br /><br />It indeed seems like this discussion has more or less exhausted itself. That being said, I was hoping to add some final thoughts of my own if Prof. Sedgwick deems them suitable to post.<br /><br />Thank you, Zachary, for clarifying the nature of your experience. Regardless of what Schuon did or did not do (I am in no position to confirm or deny any of the charges brought against him), I think there are some important, bigger-picture considerations to keep in mind. One is that, in Islam, the sorts of allegations we are discussing are taken very seriously. Consider, for example, the punishment for fornication and the rigor of the process for arriving at a guilty verdict. Now, given the nature of things, one would have to consider sexual abuse involving children to be a much more serious crime than the sexual abuse of oneself with another mature, consenting partner. It would be beneficial for us all, and especially any Muslims reading this, to remember a few sayings from the Islamic tradition, first from the Quran:<br /><br />"And those who malign believing men and believing women undeservedly, they bear the guilt of slander and manifest sin" (33:58).<br /><br />And from the Hadith:<br /><br />"Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: 'I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), say: 'No man accuses another of an immoral deed or kufr, but it will come back on him, if the person he accuses is not as he says he is."<br /><br />"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him say something good or else remain silent."<br /><br />There is also a saying attributed to Ja'far al-Sadiq according to which "'Anyone who falsely accuses a believer, male or female, of what is not in him on the Day he will be raised will remain in 'tinat khabal' until he is released from it.' Someone asked: 'What is tinat khabal?' He said: 'It is a kind of pus that is secreted from the sexual organs of prostitutes.'"<br /><br />Now in a case as ambiguous as Schuon's, and bearing in mind the requisite four eye-witnesses in cases of fornication, it is clear that one must exercise the greatest degree of caution, lest one contribute to the spread damaging hearsay (whether corresponding, in the absence of proof, to some reality or not) about a believer in God and the Last Day (this of course includes the rumors being carelessly circulated about Dr. Nasr; is it not clear that this behavior is profoundly un-Islamic?). One is also reminded of this quotation from Bawa Muhaiyaddin:<br /><br />"The faultfinding thoughts of your mind are biting you like mosquitoes and drinking your blood. Chase them away and you will be free. It is useless to be finding fault with others. Correct your own faults instead."<br />Ambrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-26799633617594800932016-11-27T16:11:28.355+02:002016-11-27T16:11:28.355+02:00As my own final note, I have published the entiret...As my own final note, I have published the entirety of my email correspondence with Mark Koslow, here https://markkoslow1.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-azal-koslow-correspondence.htmlN. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-91732982505830003422016-11-25T17:08:57.894+02:002016-11-25T17:08:57.894+02:00We do not seem to have been entirely successful in...We do not seem to have been entirely successful in observing standard scholarly courtesies. I suggest that we close this discussion.Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-45129777607288871452016-11-25T16:01:59.231+02:002016-11-25T16:01:59.231+02:00Azal is a wolf in sheep's clothing because he ...Azal is a wolf in sheep's clothing because he is blowing the whistle loud and clear on straight up criminals, perpetrator cultists, enablers of imperial wars, and fascists? Again, when Azal is caught taking multiple "vertical wives" from his own disciples; taking public naked pictures of himself with Lakota headdresses and imbuing such smut with sanctity; sodomizing and molesting the children of his disciples; enabling the crimes of Empire; intimidating legal prosecutors and their witnesses into silence out to bring him to book, ad nauseum, only then does someone like the so-called Anonymous have any ground to call Azal a "wolf in sheeps" clothing. Yet apologia for criminals, perpetrator cultists, enablers of imperial wars, and fascists certainly makes one mendaciously reverse narrativizing and shooting messengers in order to smokescreen from the message an outright wolf without any disguises needed, of sheep or otherwise.N. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-40115250291445567842016-11-24T19:05:43.888+02:002016-11-24T19:05:43.888+02:00...continued
I can only glean from your own senti......continued<br /><br />I can only glean from your own sentiments, that you are perhaps unaware of Azal's more nefarious incarnations. The quotes listed above only bring to light a slight glimmer of megalomania. You have been hurt in the past, this is why I warn you. And all other readers. You are a big boy though, and I am certain you know when to steer clear. For others though who may be younger and or more impressionable, Azal is indeed poisonous. A wolf in sheep's clothing if I ever have seen one. As long as you are conveying things he wants to hear or you have already established a rapport that lends itself useful to his ego, you are in the clear. And you may never see the other Azal, under his various on-line guises. Which is fine. I am not trying to convince you, or anybody else really. Just giving fair warning into the mind of a malicious and unbalanced character(s). His criticisms, political writing, interviews etc., are all , for the most part, cleverly disguised catalysts for the propagandizing of his own brand of covertly/overtly dubious and or heretical views. He is out to garner fame. And he has duped quite a few people. His various "incarnations" are not some thing of the past. Such as one maturing spiritually from say, the "occult", to more "orthodox" modes of understanding. On the contrary, he has never outgrown (if you are aware of his different pseudonyms) his "previous" "incarnations", only surfaced and concealed them as it serves him. This is an aging man here, not some young man in his twenties, still discovering his thought. This is a sick mind. And for one to use others research, or in some way capitalize on the trauma of others, for the sole benefit of self-promotion, is sinister. I understand, Zachary, you don't see the manipulation at play here. Again, I feel there must be some warning to others. Just like, I'm sure, you wish you would have had others warn you about the Maryamiyyah prior to your involvement; I feel the need to warn about the "Grandy Shaykh" of the "Fatimiyyah". Is Azal a child molester? I certainly hope not. But he has engaged with pederasts and praised them, PLW, for just *one* instance. And still holds regards for deplorable characters far worse than Schuon. So why does he bother to write his own hit piece. There are ulterior motives (plural). Azal is not blowing any whistle. The whistle was blown years ago. He's just putting his mark on an already spun and woven controversial story; in order to spread his name and thus his ideas, and own dubious "Order(s)". <br /><br />You say, Zachary, that you no longer have respect for titles such as Shaykh etc., yet defend, ever so slightly, one who's list of self-appointed titles is completely staggering! You leave a proverb, speaking about adab, yet the author of this article has rarely shown adab, except to a few personal acquaintances and those who do not question his work. Azal is not to be trusted, regardless of whether he may, or may not, write agreeable political pieces, or criticize (that's putting it lightly btw) organizations one may feel rancor for. Or if one exchanges chummy polite emails. It feels like, with the best intentions, a familiar circular predicament festering. <br /><br />Proceed with caution. I will bow out now, and I will not waste another moment on this issue. Though it is certain that I will be accused some more of being in Kentucky or whatever. I wish you nothing but the best Zachary. I hope you continue to write in the future, and look forward to absorbing anything you put to pen. I also hope you find your professional career placed back on track. <br /><br />God bless...<br />AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-22743196768276323932016-11-24T19:05:09.323+02:002016-11-24T19:05:09.323+02:00Greetings Zachary,
Thank you again for your cando...Greetings Zachary,<br /><br />Thank you again for your candor. I am truly sorry to hear that you endured forms of stigmatizing on top of everything else you went through. I can imagine it's akin to literally starting over again, professionally, personally etc. You did the right thing, following your heart and discerning from facts and trusted voices. I'd like to think I could be so brave. I'd also like to think, perhaps one day, you would thoroughly write of your accounts, perhaps in the form of a small book. It takes strength to turn a Malcolm X. You obviously are cut of the same cloth. <br /><br />It seems strange that PLW still garners accolade from time to time, from the Traditionalists. For instance in "In Search of the Sacred". And still is close friends with William Chittick and others, considering his oeuvre pertaining to man-boy love. Though that could, I suppose, lend credence in some way to an sinister circle. But given the fact the he has, throughout the years, as far back as the early eighties, railed against Traditionalist fundamentalism in general, and Schuon in particular, would seemingly place a target on his back. I've never seen/read any distance placed on him. Perhaps because, as far as I know, he never disfavorably vetted Nasr in particular, who was, his Master.<br /><br />I think, regarding Azal, you came close to hitting the nail on the head, when you wrote he is "trustworthy and kind to those who stand up for justice". Though I think it would read more accurate were it stated "trustworthy and kind to those who stand with his particular sentiments". Though, again, I would substitute "trustworthy" with perhaps subversive. I don't doubt that you may have gotten on well with him. And I am want to believe that, had you not been hurt by all this recently, you would find your acquaintance with him less than favorable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-62761954044064242682016-11-24T06:34:02.226+02:002016-11-24T06:34:02.226+02:00Ambrose,
I was very precise in my conversation wi...Ambrose,<br /><br />I was very precise in my conversation with Nasr and stated that Schuon was accused of sexually abusing children. I took the aforementioned conversation quoted above as an admission from Nasr, but he was not the original source of this information. I was previously aware of these claims from Koslow’s accounts and Sedgwick’s book, which detail Schuon’s indictment by a grand jury and the fact that the case was dismissed. I had assumed, as many well-intentioned people do, that he was innocent. I was then approached by another now former disciple of Nasr who came across photographs of Schuon inappropriately touching young children. This source told me that Schuon “digitally penetrated 8 or 9 year old girls.” I did not see the pictures myself because the evidence is illegal to view or possess, but trust the person who told me. I took this information to Nasr and other members of the order I was in contact with. Nasr more or less confirmed these findings, although he usually tells people not to worry about Schuon and focus on him in so many different ways. Another senior member of the order who knew Schuon personally in Bloomington said that: “Schuon committed acts worse than what the photographs show.” I’ll note that these pictures are not the ones that have circulated on the internet that show Schuon and other adults in the nude. Independent academic scholars, some of whom admire the traditionalists’ writings, have also confirmed that Schuon and some of his closest disciples committed acts of pedophilia and pederasty. How certain I am? I wasn’t there, but I trust the dozen or so sources inside and outside of the order that I have consulted. I would suggest that others do the same. <br /><br />Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for your sympathy and efforts to focus on the article in question. It was heartbreaking to discover that people I looked up to could hurt people in this way and cover the whole thing up. I was also discredited by Nasr and the order, and suffered personally and professionally as a result. In retrospect, I am grateful to know…to my sources, as well as Azal, Shahbazi, Sedgwick, and even Koslow, Alhamdulillah. I should have seen the signs because I do believe there is enough evidence in Sedgwick’s book to warn people that something was askew. <br /><br />I don’t believe you in particular came to Schuon’s defense, but by focusing on the writer of the article you and others have (perhaps unintentionally?) distracted from the evidence and the substance of his arguments. There are people who have been hurt and they need whatever support we can find, especially outside of an establishment that protects the more powerful and well connected. I no longer have respect for words and titles like “Shaykh” or “Doctor,” but look at the actions of individuals. Azal is a fierce critic of people and groups that very often deserve criticism. However, I have found that he is actually trustworthy and kind to those who stand up for justice. You are welcome to disagree, but I think it distracts from a very important article to voice your protests in the context of Azal blowing the whistle on criminals. <br /><br />“Adab is to sharpen your sword so that when you have to cut off a limb it doesn’t hurt.” –Arab proverb<br /><br />“The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door.” –Rust Cohle<br />Zacharyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202851431408683292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-25553861992348711282016-11-23T18:50:56.584+02:002016-11-23T18:50:56.584+02:00From last post...
Moreover, while I have you here...From last post...<br /><br />Moreover, while I have you here, who are you to talk for Palestine, or question why people like me or Sukant Chandran talk about Palestine, when you are associated with rabid settler Zionists and unrepentant North American Israeli-firsters like Judith Git? You are associated with a plethora of anti-Palestinian Zionist ethno-supremacists, your track-record for lying and trolling are legion and well-established, yet you have the gall and chutzpah to day in and day out question and smear Sukant Chandran, myself and Eric Draitser in London, Berlin and NYC while you yourself are located in one of the oldest Jim Crow-segregation centers of the United States; this, while claiming to be making coffee for Starbucks while you have infinite time to troll and wage online vendettas of your own as well as on behalf of Fascist hacks like Navid Nasr (who btw is family to Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Vali-Reza Nasr). <br /><br />No sir, you don't get to hide behind any sanctimony or holier-than-thou platitudes directed my way when you have demonstrated time and again not to even know what the words 'integrity', 'ethics' or 'moral-compass' even mean. Sorry, you have no leg to stand on to lecture anyone -- which is why you are (unsuccessfully) trying to hide behind an Anonymous log-in here in order to comment (God bless the Hacker collective). No one I have known online backbites, smears, attacks, trolls, deceives and antagonizes as much as you and your posse of friends have done over the past year -- and not just to me. Luckily, in the age of cyberspace meticulous records can be kept and -- despite your attempts to falsify information -- when (not "if") the matter finally comes to the attention of a proper legal venue, you know you will be toast. You would've had a case if your attacks were merely limited to myself and no one else. But the minute you included Eric Draitser, Sukant Chandran, Harrison Elfrink and others in your underhanded smear-campaign that is when you showed your hand as a paid political operator and a hack. So how does it feel to have someone finally stand in your face with the ability to go toe to toe and for the full 15 rounds? Refer to the introduction of Liber Decatriarchia Mystica where I talk about "the Greatest" Louisville, Kentuckian of all time: Muhammad Ali (Cassius Marcellus Clay) (ra). <br /><br />Ball in your court...<br />N. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-77243924490616915892016-11-23T18:50:20.096+02:002016-11-23T18:50:20.096+02:00Mr Not-So-Anonymous-Abookire (your IP is traced ye...Mr Not-So-Anonymous-Abookire (your IP is traced yet again to the same source in Louisville, Kentucky)<br /><br />What kind of Orthodox Christian of your pretensions spends all their time running smear campaigns against several people all at the same time and all over the internet against myself, Eric Draitser of anti-imperialism.org and Sukant Chandran of the "Sons of Malcolm," as you have: a smear campaign in the service of dubious Fascists and paid hacks like Navid Nasr and his Duginist cronies. What kind of Orthodox Christian of your pretensions claims to be a Lebanese Druze one day then a Lebanese Maronite the next day and finally a Hungarian Jew the day after that, as you have, while promoting "The Muslim Zionism Organization"? What does Muslim Zionism even mean? What kind of Orthodox Christian associates with some of the most rabid settler Zionist Islamophobes as you do? Did you get this sort of mendacity and fancy dress-upism from Alexander Dugin whom you once unequivocally denounced on my Facebook wall but whose acolytes you now openly cavort with as comrades? And what kind of Orthodox Christian is literally obsessed with trolling people and their families, as you have, and then openly falsifying information about their interlocutor-antagonists while literally bullying other individuals who see right through your game and who called you on it, as you did? What kind of Orthodox Christian are you, really? I don't believe you are any kind of Orthodox Christian. This is your gimmick because you are a proven opportunist. As I have said in public, and as you yourself have repeatedly confirmed, you are a paid shill and a government informant -- and the word on the street about you on that score has been out for six straight years now.<br /><br />More to follow...N. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-5632058776578413822016-11-23T14:03:44.541+02:002016-11-23T14:03:44.541+02:00...continued
Henry Corbin, was never a self-promo......continued<br /><br />Henry Corbin, was never a self-promoter. The many hues of inner engelchristologie or theophanic morphology, waḥdat al-wujud etc, are not the issue. It's the way in which it is aired or put forth. With such unapologetic arrogance! If one cannot read the quotations above as coming from anything but an egotistical or unbalanced mind, well. All I can say is that if Schuon were to have written in such a way, his accusers would be more voluminous. Azal has never been embarrassed nor repentant for anything I have read from him over the years. All I have seen is a conflated ego grow, and hurtful duplicitous accusations thrown about willy nilly.<br /><br />What sufi "Master" spends so much time trolling, backbiting, antagonizing? Get on with your spiritual life, if you truly have one. Which is what I should be doing rather than seemingly assassinate someones character! I say seemingly because all that need be done is scroll the web and the assassination is already self-inflicted. All of which lends less credence to the accusations (true or false), and places the motives behind such a paper in question. It certainly is not about standing up for what is right. Coming from a man who idolizes Peter Lamborn Wilson, an true pedophile. Come on.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Anonymous Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-50219004133637806652016-11-23T14:00:44.650+02:002016-11-23T14:00:44.650+02:00Dear Zachary,
Thank you for divulging further you...Dear Zachary,<br /><br />Thank you for divulging further your personal history/correspondence with Nasr. I truly am empathetic towards everything you have had to endure. Its one thing to be sympathetic to, or even enthralled in the highest order with and by the writings of someone like Schuon, and then come to find out such allegations, and have to distance oneself. Yet it is an altogether different realm to have lived in an air of proximity to the teachings and members of the upper echelons, by way of initiatic rite and be confronted with such things. Again, I empathize. As I also do, when you say you felt sorry for Nasr after your confrontation. Like it has been said on this blog in the past, I think it would prove difficult to back track, given, perhaps, spiritual or intellectual egos, after having exclaimed your Master as the "cosmic intellect itself impregnated by the energy of divine grace surveying the whole of the reality surrounding man and elucidating all the concerns of human existence in the light of sacred knowledge".<br /><br />I do not believe that I ever came to Schuon's defense. If my writing in anyway came across as such, let me be clear, I am not defending the man or his alleged actions. I have seen pictures of the primordial gatherings or some form of them, and other questionable photos, and it was enough for me to pull the halo off his headdress. <br /><br />With regards to Mr. Azal, I believe I alluded to the fact the he is an informed writer when I suggested both his, one time, intellectual and spiritual promise. But the thing is, it is scarce for Mr. Azal to write anything, at length, without feeling the need succumb to some category of kvetching, antagonizing or contentious modes of writing behaviors. Contrary to him being courageous, I, and I imagine others, find, a habitual lack, of courtesy and, yes, honesty. A case in point for me personally, being his outright lie that I was this Abookie fellow. I could perhaps understand, and forgive, his labeling me so, were it just the a matter of mistaking me for this person he claims harassment from. But to then say my IP was traced to Kentucky? Allowing himself to air more conspiracy (and I do understand, Zachary, that what you know to be true is not at all conspiracy). I'm want to say this proves his disingenuous character, but that would put it mildly. This is an outright lie. And it is quite sad. A grown man in his 50's-60's(?), and "Grand Shaykh" of a sufi order, feeling the need to lie, in order to further slander. Shame. I would ask Prof. Sedgwick to trace my IP, and reveal whether it's location is in Kentucky, or anywhere near there. I know he would not do that, but he has my permission. <br /><br />With regards to your own writings, of which you feel the need to distance yourself from, I have found much of your available on-line writing to be nothing short of honest and humble, nor did I find them once imbued with bolstering of any sort. I have found myself revisit your "The Eliatic Function" on more than one occasion. As I have, one or two lesser contentious articles of Azal's output. He is knowledgeable to a certain extent. But also quite poisonous in other regards. The fact that he has been banned from shiachat over 30 or so times (under various monikers) for absurdly contentious behavior, as well as a plethora of others, speaks volumes. An antagonist of the first order. This is a grown man, far into his adulthood. Spending hours upon hours attacking. Attack after attack. Is this a spiritual master? Is this the behavior of a "Grand Shaykh". Would you want your children adopting such a character as a spiritual father?<br /><br />continued...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-38543040140504753742016-11-23T10:30:33.437+02:002016-11-23T10:30:33.437+02:00The Duginists, mendaciously running for cover, cla...The Duginists, mendaciously running for cover, claim no connection between themselves and the Maryamiyyah. Can they explain the following, then?<br /><br />http://traditionalists54.rssing.com/chan-12365673/all_p1.htmlN. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-71366243509359889692016-11-23T10:02:03.528+02:002016-11-23T10:02:03.528+02:00Dear Michele L. Canty, Nate Abookire and James Por...Dear Michele L. Canty, Nate Abookire and James Porazzo (interesting company),<br /><br />When you find naked pictures of me in Native American head-dresses or find me engaging in paedophilia with the children of my disciples or taking multiple vertical wives from my disciples, etc; or do the kind of stuff that Nasr has done which there is now a long wikileaks trail for; then talk. LDM was a spoof book as indicated from the beginning to the end with the poem by Ibn Farid. It was also a great spoof book because it seems to have gotten into the heads of three different sets of cultists all at once: Bahais, Maryamis and Duginists. So, yes, you are beating a dead horse, but the book is still doing its more occult job. What is quite ridiculous, is that the Duginists are crying here because not only have I exposed them far and wide -- and their international linkages -- but here Mr Porrazzo seems to be complaining that at one point I have out-Dugined Dugin in his "syncretism." Be that as it may, if the Maryamiyyah are now taking LDM against me, pray tell, why was prominent Maryamiyyah member Faheem Chishty for several years incessantly communicating with me wanting to take me as his shaykh (which I categorically refused to do) on the very basis of this book? You and your friends, Mr Abookire, do not have a leg to stand on.<br /><br />Mark Sedgwick, much of the stuff you are letting through is ad hom.N. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-62947224542226942732016-11-23T09:42:13.444+02:002016-11-23T09:42:13.444+02:00Hello? Which part of the book was a spoof does Mr ...Hello? Which part of the book was a spoof does Mr Abookire (IP traced to Louisville, Kentucky) and his Duginist Nazi friend not understand? The book was a spoof means the whole book is a spoof.<br /><br />And Amber, which part of the poem by Ibn Farid quoted on page 340 did you not understand? This is now the second instance this is being quoted. Do you even have a copy of LDM?<br /><br />--<br />I was a prophet sent to myself from Myself,<br /><br />And it is myself who, by my own Signs, was guided towards Myself.<br /><br />إَلَيَّ رَسُولًا كُنتٌ مًنًّي مُرسَلاً<br /><br />وَذَاتِي بِآيَاتِي عَلَيَّ ٱسْتَدَلَّتِN. Wahid Azalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13303632116768632915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-1016657326311256722016-11-23T07:58:57.727+02:002016-11-23T07:58:57.727+02:00Zachary,
Before writing more, I want to ask for ...Zachary, <br /><br />Before writing more, I want to ask for clarification regarding your most recent post. Are you saying that Dr. Nasr admitted to you in person that Schuon did in fact abuse children? What exactly was said? And to be clear, what is meant by abuse? And regarding such alleged abuse, do you consider yourself to have certainty regarding it, or mere belief based on your sources, or something in between? Did you use the word "abuse" with Dr. Nasr? Were the misdeeds he allegedly acknowledged the same as the ones you had in your mind? How extensive was your discussion? It is necessary to be precise in all of this.<br /><br />Thank you, <br /><br />AmbroseAmbrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-6257815903217699672016-11-23T05:02:34.405+02:002016-11-23T05:02:34.405+02:00Hello Anonymous,
Thank you for your more measured...Hello Anonymous,<br /><br />Thank you for your more measured response. To answer your question: Yes, I confronted Nasr in person, man to man as you say. I was later told by one of his followers that no one had spoken to him as directly as I had. After a series of deflections by Nasr, the end of interaction can be summarized as follows:<br /><br />me: “Schuon and others abused young children...why didn’t you tell us?”<br />Nasr: “What was I to do?”<br />me: “This is no different than the Catholic Church.”<br />Nasr: “Except in the Church the Pope himself was not guilty.”<br />me: “I just want to tell you in person that I am leaving the order.”<br />Nasr: “You are an angry person.”<br /><br />I felt somewhat sorry for the man because his proud façade was beginning to crack and there was some recognition that his master was a deeply flawed human being. However, he should have done exactly what I did and leave. Instead, he took Schuon’s mantle and defended the man. Now I am told by reputable sources that Nasr has hurt a number of impressionable disciples of his own. It was only later that I took a closer look at his political connections and realized his moral compass (or lack thereof) had betrayed him in several respects. <br /><br />Regarding Wahid Azal, I admire his political commentaries, critiques of Bahaism and the Maryamiyyah, as well as his translations and more mature writings. I wrote a number of articles and a book in the past that I wish I could distance myself from entirely. With that said, Corbin writes about “the prophets of one’s being” and Amir-Moezzi speaks of the “Imam of one’s being.” There is nothing strange about this doctrine—which originates in the teachings of the Imams and classical Sufis—because every outward phenomenon has its inner correspondence, even if the function of prophecy was sealed by the Prophet Muhammad, and the function of Imam by Muhammad al-Mahdi, peace be upon them.<br /><br />I consider Azal a courageous and informed writer. I don’t have to agree with him on everything and he doesn’t have to agree with me. He does have enough sense to know that pedophilia and espionage that puts innocent lives at risk are wrong. It is very telling that so many here are coming out to defend Schuon and the Maryamiyyah, and attack Azal for standing up for what is right.<br />Zacharyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202851431408683292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-85500158886308833582016-11-23T02:10:16.508+02:002016-11-23T02:10:16.508+02:00I have responded to Azal here:
https://4threvolut...I have responded to Azal here:<br /><br />https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/what-if-god-is-a-troll-the-mendacity-of-n-wahid-azal/Akirahttps://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com