tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post69080510876803121..comments2024-03-23T09:27:34.737+02:00Comments on Traditionalists: Music Scene TraditionalismMark Sedgwickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09998818251387897344noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-80108229162731931852012-12-23T22:38:03.548+02:002012-12-23T22:38:03.548+02:00Estetik Verwirrt von den verschiedenen Nachrichten...<a href="http://www.estetikhaberleri.com/saglik/estetik-haberleri" rel="nofollow">Estetik</a> Verwirrt von den verschiedenen Nachrichten über die ästhetische<br /><a href="http://www.aksaglik.com" rel="nofollow">Sağlık Haberleri</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15085045939236883267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-28410162478216812792008-09-16T12:59:00.000+02:002008-09-16T12:59:00.000+02:00Hm, does typing html make a comment getting eaten ...Hm, does typing html make a comment getting eaten by a spamfilter? (The preview looked better than my last reply here.) Another attempt with a link as plain text; a (lengthy) reaction to the "music scene traditionalism" posts here, the article of François and the reaction of Joshua Buckley.<BR/>http://www.gangleri.nl/articles/129/music-scene-traditionalism<BR/>An insider story if you like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-65896977340098489672008-09-12T11:29:00.000+02:002008-09-12T11:29:00.000+02:00I hope I can post a few links without being regard...I hope I can post a few links without being regarded as a spammer. Three other literature tips (yes I review to my own website, but you will find reviews and more information there):<BR/>http://www.gangleri.nl/bookreviews/109/looking-for-europe-neofolk-und-hintergrunde-andreas-diesel-dieter-gerten-isbn-3936878021-2005/<BR/>http://www.gangleri.nl/articles/74/battlenoise-a-book-review<BR/>http://www.gangleri.nl/bookreviews/119/asthetische-mobilmachung-andreas-speit-ed-isbn-3897718049/<BR/><BR/>Further I want to add that you could regard me as a "Traditionalistic Asatruar" (still a rare combination, inspite of what some articles here seem to suggest), but even though I have been involved in this scene for many years, both my "Asatru" <I>and</I> Traditionalism were not found there! I have the impression that varnish is mistaken for philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-31180440593838581852008-08-23T11:44:00.000+02:002008-08-23T11:44:00.000+02:00Dugin's old radio programs are available on CD fro...Dugin's old radio programs are available on CD from the Eurasian Movement, and may well be somewhere on their website too. Happy hunting!Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697551716540483823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-35532496436534982562008-08-22T16:12:00.000+02:002008-08-22T16:12:00.000+02:00Mark, I loved your book. I found it in the Sanford...Mark, I loved your book. I found it in the Sanford, NC, library. I was here to ask a different question (about Changes), but I just answered it. But since I'm posting on your blog anyway.... do you know of any extant Internet (or other) audio from that Russian radio program from the early 90s that you mentioned in your book?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17743509173426333205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-39158694133863198162007-07-03T08:11:00.000+02:002007-07-03T08:11:00.000+02:00See a short paper treating the more general phenom...See a short paper treating the more general phenomenon of which this is part: Stéphane François, “Modernité subculturelle et ésotérisme : la « musique industrielle » et les mouvements magiques.” Paper given at the 2007 CESNUR conference, Bordeaux, June 7-9, 2007. Available http://www.cesnur.org/2007/bord_francois.htmMark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697551716540483823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-71270456136609239032007-06-22T22:39:00.000+02:002007-06-22T22:39:00.000+02:00as a u.s. raised, afro-latino convert to islam fro...as a u.s. raised, afro-latino convert to islam from a christian background, i'm not sure what to make of robert taylor's comment. Christianity is what, for me, never fit quite comfortably. and in some sense, santeria or some other Afro-Catholic syncretic practice might be closer to my heritage but I don't think I would be very comfortable with that either.<BR/><BR/>Also, because of having a shared repository of Judeo-Christian stories, Islam was actually very familiar to me. So I'm not sure where the discomfort would come from in his view.<BR/><BR/>Is Taylor trying to make a racial argument that Europeans shouldn't be Muslim? Would a pre-Christian path be more appropriate than Islam?Abdul-Halim V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03811018180731403335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-58250392458308301642007-06-10T10:32:00.000+02:002007-06-10T10:32:00.000+02:00Robert Taylor of Changes wrote:I have read and stu...Robert Taylor of <I>Changes</I> wrote:<BR/><BR/>I have read and studied both Evola and Guenon and learned much from their writings to be sure. Unlike some I do not take all they wrote as holy writ or the last word. In the case of Savitri Devi as well as Guenon I felt both of them in their pursuit of tradition took a wrong turn in becoming followers of a cultural tradition not their own in essence. I can understand them, as well as the period they both lived in - but I for one am more in favor of rediscovering who we truly are in a spiritual sense. And recovering that which we have lost in the shuffle of past historical events. I have absolute respect for Muslim and Hindu as well as Japanese traditional cultures and have learned much from studying them in the sense of understanding what a traditional culture can encompass. Yet, to take up Moslim culture (another culture essentially of the Levant) in place of Christanity is sort of a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire once again.LOL. Non Indo European religion for Indo Europeans is to don a strait jacket of a sort. One that never quite fits comfortably with who we truly are in essence.Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697551716540483823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-22194458270942492092007-06-06T20:57:00.000+02:002007-06-06T20:57:00.000+02:00I would think that any influence Traditionalism ha...I would think that any influence Traditionalism has on the neo-folk scene comes entirely through Evola, who is seen as a renegade occultist Fascist philosopher rather than a religious scholar influenced by Guenon. <BR/><BR/>Neo-folk isn't fascist by any means but it is fascinated by edgy right wingers - mainly as a gesture of rebellion against mainstream liberal culture.<BR/><BR/>Neo-folkers like the idea of obscure rightist figures like Evola mixing with the SS and turning out books about the decline of the West but would be less keen on any kind of 'conventional' religious thought eg. being encouraged to convert to Islam. <BR/><BR/>Sol Invictus' Against the Modern World was inspired by the title of Evola's book - although Tony Wakeford, main man of the group, said somewhere that he never read it as he found it 'too heavy going'. That sums up the links between Traditionalism and neo-folk for 90% of the bands and individuals involved.<BR/><BR/>Changes, the US apocalyptic folk band, were influenced in the 1960s by reading Yockey's Imperium, a neo-fascist work much influenced by Spengler. So perhaps a parallel to Traditionalist ideas rather than the real deal.<BR/><BR/>Just a personal opinion though.<BR/><BR/>Christopher OAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29711878.post-78826824020720751272007-05-26T16:02:00.000+02:002007-05-26T16:02:00.000+02:00A correspondent has drawn my attention to the impo...A correspondent has drawn my attention to the importance of Changes, an American band established in 1969-70.<BR/><BR/>See www.highfiber.com/~thermite/changes1.html and www.theredsalon.com.Mark Sedgwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11697551716540483823noreply@blogger.com