Monday, March 22, 2021

New book on Schuon's thought, including his views on Islam

Patrick Laude has just published a guide to Schuon's thought, Keys to the Beyond: Frithjof Schuon's Cross-Traditional Language of Transcendence (Albany: SUNY Press, 2020; $34.95). Laude, who is himself a Traditionalist, knows Schuon's thought well, and does a good job of explaining and synthesising it, though those without preparation may still find the book hard.

The book's first section has four chapters, starting with a chapter on "Ātman, Māyā and the Relatively Absolute," which explains Schuon's basic metaphysical framework. Then comes "The Avatāric Mystery," Schuon's understanding of "descent" in various contexts. "Upāya: Religion as Relatively Absolute" covers Schuon's understanding of religion as such, and "The Nature of Things and the Human Margin" covers esotericism

The following section consists of two chapters, "Trinitarian Metaphysics" and "Necessary Sufism and the Archetype of Islam." These deal with Schuon's understandings of Christianity and Islam

Then come three chapters on three special topics: "The Divine Feminine." "The Yin-Yang Perspective and Visual Metaphysics," and "The 'Tantric' Spiritualization of Sexuality."

Finally, a chapter on "Esoteric Ecumenism" indicates the place of Schuon within current academic approaches to religious pluralism

One of the most interesting chapters is that dealing with the difficult topic of Schuon's relationship with Islam. Laude's argument is that it is wrong to understand Schuon's thought in Sufi or Islamic terms, even if this is how Seyyed Hossein Nasr tends to see it. "The fact that Schuon himself led most of his adult life within the ritual forms of a particular tradition [Islam] does not in the least invalidate” the fact that on an esoteric and metaphysical level he was supra-confessional (p. 191). He emphasised that esotericism is independent of the various traditional forms (religions), and often critiqued "the intrinsic limitations of the perspectival and theological forms of Abrahamic religions" (193), including Islam.


9 comments:

Charles upton said...

"Supra-confessional" is accurate. However, since Schuon claimed that he had received no new Revelation, his authority remains on the level of individual inspiration and insight, consequently it carries no Divine sanction such as every true "confession" must carry. Many of his insights were profound, but he was no avatar, no prophet, and -- insofar as he did not remain within the Islamic fold -- no Sufi Shaykh. As Charles LeGai Eaton maintained, he was an individual genius, "the last of the 19th-century (style) geniuses, a genius in the field of religion." It remains for us to take what we can from the sometimes profound insights he offered, but he certainly founded no true Tariqa, no true spiritual Way. Such a Way requires Divine sanction, not simply individual talent or indications based on individual spiritual experience, unless this experience be that of a God-chosen prophet. Did Schuon ever claim prophetic status? Not to my knowledge. Comments?

Anonymous said...

As the dust settles down, decades later, it becomes clear how f.o.s people are. It also becomes patently clear how gullible humans are, especially those who are overly sentimental; their innate passion drives them to want to believe anything and everything. Schuon is not the first "guru" who, despite his scandalous private life, still possesses seemingly devotional followers, eager to brush his sullied name clean. This stuff happens all the time. Just look at Osho with his taste for fine cars...

This is why it's always important to have a technical attitude, the same that Guenon had, it was never about individualities, even "legitimate" founders of religions like the prophet of islam, it was always about the nature of man and how to become aware of it, here and now. Most creatures are too weak, cowardly and insincere to take on such a task and thus desire something or someone to believe in, even in esoteric circles!

Through all this, the concepts highlighted by Guenon alone remain interesting, these other people, from Schuon to Valsan to Nasr, to Upton, all of them have nothing remotely unique in terms of a source or as a concept, they just repeat and redress what was said by Guenon.

A reminder too: it is only Guenon that ever mentioned the King of the World and the Supreme Center, these others never did and if they did, it was clearly out of imitation. Who else among them can claim to have a direct connection to the King of the World himself? None, it's always the same boring religious platitudes, the same speculations, the same "philosophies" (all these bozos label Guenon a philosopher, which is absurd) and so on. None have real knowledge, none have real connections, most merely want to lecture you and make a quick dime by selling their books and grift along with them. They do this by making it seem that Guenon founded a "traditionalist school" and therefore set a precedent upon which they can gain a following, get women and make money. That they belong to that "school" and are the successors of it, so we should all bow our heads and listen to them. Always coming up with inane neologisms, such as "supra-confessional". One also wonders who decides what is a "divine sanction" and what is not; in the end, it always comes down to military might. All the "orthodox traditions" were "divinely sanctioned" because they shed the most blood, had the most brutality and got the most influence. This goes for hindu-type traditions too, since the Kshatriya messed up whoever the Brahmin told them to, until they got sick of taking orders and just messed everyone up including the Brahmin themselves. "Divine sanction" seems to always be determined by bullies on the battlefield...

A complete and utter take-down of these scammers is done by a Frenchman on his blog here:

https://oeuvre-de-rene-guenon.blogspot.com/2019/03/la-fonction-de-frithjof-schuon-4.html

Mark, I'm sorry if posting links is illegal, but I think we need to stop this nonsense of stringing along Guenon with these conmen and set things clear once and for all. I of course don't even agree fully with Guenon (he was a good manipulator, who even admitted that in the end, all traditions are just conspiracies, something that angered Schuon a lot...) or with the blog I just referenced, but at least for the purpose of historical accuracy, to point out what actually happened, I think that blog does a fairly decent job at it.

Anonymous said...

Are you M. Koslow?

Anonymous said...

No I am not, but why ask me that? Also, do you disagree with anything I said in my first comment? If so, point it out and state why. Before you do, I think you ought to consult another resource, that sheds some light about what happened behind the scenes with all this esoteric stuff, here it is:

http://dossierschuonguenonislam.blogspirit.com/files/Dossier%20confidentiel%20inedit.pdf

read that document, if you haven't already, then we can chat. The thing that matters in the end is the truth after all, now is the time to unearth everything honestly.

Anonymous said...

I have a question for Mr. Upton, though it may not directly be relevant to this post, it is relevant to Tradition as a whole.

To Mr. Upton, respectfully, what do you think about the incoming "great reset" that the so called elites of the world announced last year? Do you think it is a prelude to the global counter-traditional empire that Guenon spoke of in the Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times and that you have spoken of in some of your books?
If so, it is a bit frightening how quickly things are moving!

It would be nice if you did a post on that, in video form or on your website.

Maude Murray said...

Not regarding politics, but tradition and the validity of Frithjof Schuon as a spiritual master: I am now breaking all laws that cover up lies concerning Frithjof Schuon. My former publisher, who speaks for his own firm, is a different entity, being threatened by a lawsuit from the firm of Fitzgerald and Fitzgerald. He is being severely threatened, by Michael Oren Fitzgerald, the same lawyer who led us disciples through the Grand Jury Hearing of 1991. He led us by telling us all how to lie, and making false videos of our "Indian Days." He is still lying, 30 years later, so I've changed Sunnahs: other requirements apply to confirmed liars, tricksters and those who use the Justice System of the United States, to cover lies and prevent anyone from telling the truth. Now Frithjof Schuon lied too of course, and he actually believed in lying. After the trial, he made a video in which he said that he was accused (falsely) because he had refused to allow an adulterous relationship on moral grounds. At that very moment, he was married and had three sexual relationships - two with women who were spiritually and legally married. With the remaining one, he had simply...well, it boils down to the same thing, no? There were two great liars, who covered al the sins of Frithjof Schuon with lies: the absolutemy convincing Catherine Schuon, and her lawyer, Michael Oren Fitzgerald. Now my publisher has been forced to remove a video I made, telling the truth. In a few days, in sha Allah, I'll post a new video - telling the WHOLE TRUTH...and I've re-written my site to cover this whole subject of lying and the places it leads to:
https://frithjofschuon.wordpress.com
My email: murraymaude57@gmail.com

Maude Murray said...

Actually, my post above is pertinent to the book of Patrick Laude and pertinent to every work in favor of Schuon. As THE MOST direct witness possible (having been naked, in his arms for 20 years) I know that Frithjof Schuon was a liar and a womanizer - in short, a fraud! The only difference between him and other Antichrist-like figures is that he APPEARED, SEEMED for all the world to be holy. He, his (only legal) wife and his lawyer all worked on that image!

Why is it worth discussing his having said anything wise? "One cannot get to a good place with a bad road, says a Navajo proverb." Or say "the end doesn't justify the means."

He said some wise, profound things, not so? Doesn't everyone know that everything true he ever said, was said better before him, by real Gnostic Awliya? His idea of metaphysics was all scrambled up. Can I prove that? Sure! Soon, I'll post a refutation of his main mistakes in metaphysics, by a real metaphysian, not by me goodness knows. There already are some fine rufutations, but of particular articles or ideas. That man was so surrounded and protected by lies and naked women, nudist events too...that it's dangerous to go anywhere near him or his followers. Now not everyone will believe me. Some accuse me of bad motives. Fine. They aren't my responsibility. I've only promised Allah to tell the WHOLE truth until I die. Jail, lawsuits...I'd rather not be burned at the stake; so tie me down.

I'm always sorry about saying something true: STUDY my site: https://frithjofschuon.wordpress.com . Is it not clear that Frithjof Schuon was one of the thirty predicted Antichrists to call themselves Prophets after Muhammad? And to be one of the great liars (Dajjals)? "This" is not just another story, but a tremendous lesson in end time discernment - having all the bad signs we were warned about by Muhammad and by all the great GNOSTICS, of all revelations!

May some be guided, as Allah wills!

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

Maude Murray said...

Actually, my post above is pertinent to the book of Patrick Laude and pertinent to every work in favor of Schuon. As THE MOST direct witness possible (having been naked, in his arms for 20 years) I know that Frithjof Schuon was a liar and a womanizer - in short, a fraud! The only difference between him and other Antichrist-like figures is that he APPEARED, SEEMED for all the world to be holy. He, his (only legal) wife and his lawyer all worked on that image!

Why is it worth discussing his having said anything wise? "One cannot get to a good place with a bad road, says a Navajo proverb." Or say "the end doesn't justify the means."

He said some wise, profound things, not so? Doesn't everyone know that everything true he ever said, was said better before him, by real Gnostic Awliya? His idea of metaphysics was all scrambled up. Can I prove that? Sure! Soon, I'll post a refutation of his main mistakes in metaphysics, by a real metaphysian, not by me goodness knows. There already are some fine rufutations, but of particular articles or ideas. That man was so surrounded and protected by lies and naked women, nudist events too...that it's dangerous to go anywhere near him or his followers. Now not everyone will believe me. Some accuse me of bad motives. Fine. They aren't my responsibility. I've only promised Allah to tell the WHOLE truth until I die. Jail, lawsuits...I'd rather not be burned at the stake; so tie me down.

I'm always sorry about saying something true: STUDY my site: https://frithjofschuon.wordpress.com . Is it not clear that Frithjof Schuon was one of the thirty predicted Antichrists to call themselves Prophets after Muhammad? And to be one of the great liars (Dajjals)? "This" is not just another story, but a tremendous lesson in end time discernment - having all the bad signs we were warned about by Muhammad and by all the great GNOSTICS, of all revelations!

May some be guided, as Allah wills!

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

Maude Murray said...

I'm responding to Charles Upton: Frithjof Schuon told me he had received a revelation (his six themes of meditation) and he calls himself a Messenger in writing. That means "Prophet,"of course. He knew enough Arabic to realize he couldn't be a Nabi after all his Moroccan fuqara left due to that, well before 1980. So his using the word Messenger after that, means that he thought he was a major Prophet who brought a new revelation. He also told either only us "wives" or others, that he was The Seal of the Sages (a function which doesn't exist in any religion); the king of the world; a Bodhisattva (do they marry?); Jesus; an incarnation of a Divine Name; a revelation in himself - and his very body was a revelation of ar-Rahman for mankind! There's more I forget! At the moment what concerns me isn't his megalomania, but his actual belief in lying on this lower plane of everyday life. He was SOOO great that he was above the Sacred Law, the law of the land, morality...oh and Prophets! He was above God too, in that he re-organized religions, according to guess what? Races! The genius in his own race, Aryan, made Hinduism greater than the three Semitic religions of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. These things are explained on my site https://frithjofschuon.wordpress.com and in Gregory A. Lipton's book, Rethinking Ibn Arabi, and in his article "De-Semitizing Ibn Arabi: Aryanism and the Schuonian discourse on religious authenticity.
Both Schuon's (Frithjof Schuon and his only legal wife, Catherine Schuon) were great liars, and so is their lawyer. The whole kit n kaboodle is a catastrophe; but protected by laws: liars are protecting other liars - so let's forget them! (But remember me in your prayers: I'm defying the law everyday, because it's being mis-used by liars to keep the truth from being told). السلام عليكم ورحمة الله